Firelands Nerf So Soon?

Morynne —  September 13, 2011 — 8 Comments

Color me a little surprised.

Blizzard dropped this bomb yesterday…

Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

With the final showdown against Deathwing approaching, we’ve been keeping a close eye on players’ progress through the current Firelands raid content. Before patch 4.3 is released, we want groups who are working on Heroic-difficulty content to be able to get as close to Ragnaros as possible, and we want players who are tackling normal progression to be able to experience as many of the encounters as they can. To achieve these goals, we’ll be toning down the difficulty of both normal and Heroic raids through hotfixes in the coming weeks. In general, we plan to reduce health and damage of all raid bosses in both normal and Heroic Firelands by around the same percentage we brought difficulty down for the original Cataclysm raids when Rage of the Firelands (patch 4.2) was released.

We’re looking forward to seeing more groups of players face off against the Fire Lord in the weeks ahead. However, before we make these changes, we want to give everyone a final shot at the bosses at their current difficulty level — so this is a heads up that we’re planning to apply the difficulty hotfixes beginning the week of September 19.

Stay tuned to the Patch 4.2 Hotfixes blog for these and other live updates to the game as they happen.

Wow. It feels like we just got into Firelands, and this is coming so quickly thereafter!  Now in fairness, Rag was cleared week 1, and heroics were started the week following.  I’ve truly enjoyed Firelands, and I’m not sure if it’s because I’ve changed guilds and environment, or because I genuinely like the encounters.  I almost don’t want to see this normal mode nerf so soon.  I want to get Rag down pre-nerf!

I’m not sure of the time table for 4.3, but given the fact that it’s not even on the PTR yet, we’re probably looking at 3-4 months at the bare minimum — which puts it very close to the December and New Years holidays — pretty much 1 year after we had our worlds torn apart by Deathwing in the first place.

Here’s what I’m fearful of: I don’t want to be killing Deathwing every week for a year like we did with Arthas.

The long lag time between ICC and Cataclysm created a lot of burn out and destroyed a number of guilds, particularly those that raid.  I’m not sure it’s the best choice for that kind of lag time.

Knowing that 4.3 will indeed be the Deathwing patch, I do think we’ll get the name, and a brief preview of the next expansion at Blizzcon.  Rainbows in pandaland anyone?

What are your thoughts on the nerf and the potential release schedule?


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8 responses to Firelands Nerf So Soon?

  1. I'm VERY disappointed to see they're going to nerf FL bosses already. It seems WAY too soon imo, though I know there are guilds who are closing in on Heroic Rag already. Mine isn't and there's just not been enough time so far for everyone to get up to speed so we can all do FL together. Those that have cleared it with other groups still want to see the guild succeed together, and while I wasn't quite as concerned when Bliz nerfed the T11 bosses, this seems like it's cheapening any achievements in T12 content for those of us who haven't done it yet.

    Now, that means this week we'll be really putting the pedal down to try and get to Rag, but I see this as another "dumbing-down" of the game which isn't leading WoW anywhere good.

  2. I belong to a very small guild composed of folks who almost all over 40 and have full time jobs, kids etc. We are lucky if we get to raid once a week and sometimes only manage bi-weekly. We are still working on the regular raids and have not been to FL yet….so it won't make much difference to us. I think that if I was a more serious raider I would like to get some recognition for completing content "pre-nerf" ….'the Kingslayer' or even 'The light of Dawn' does not mean that much today…but if you had those "pre-WOTLK-nerf" it was pretty cool.

  3. I was slightly bummed to hear about this. Eight days ago, we got Alysrazor down for the first time, and last night, a few hours after we heard about the upcoming nerfs, we downed Majordomo. We're making nice progress, and it hurts a little to know that it's likely we won't down Ragnaros pre-nerf now (since we raid at the end of the weekly lockout period).

    We'll give it a huge effort this week, though, and whether we down him this week or the next doesn't really truly matter all that much. It just seems like a "would have been nice" situation.

    I echo your hopes on the time table. Hopefully we'll get 4.3 by sometime in December or, at the very latest, early January, followed in six months by the next expansion. Last summer and fall were rough raid-boredom months, to be sure!

  4. I have only one FL boss down because my guild only has one Core Raid Group…out of 950 people :(

    I always Pug or get Pugged for old raids and FL trash.

    From my standpoint, this might be better for me and people like me.

    However, I understand you Ozolin.

    You have to work at getting better as a group and individually.

    I was working on BoT, with the same group. Over and over and over! We got better – BAM – downed the boss.

    Now, you can just run through all these raids like there ZaZg.

    Nerfing the raids takes out that AWE factor. No more swetty palms and rapid heartbeats.

    Just my opinion.

    Thank you Morynne for an awesome site!

    And thank you everybody who comments. I've learned so much from all of you:)

  5. I see the problem. My guild just startet at FL cuz we couldnt get a team together. But now we have and it feels kinda sad that were not gonna taste the real deal before the nerf. Though i think if you want competition theres allways Heroic mode to go for. Getting a small nerf to but come on. Theres not that many guilds that have done HC mode yet. and quite frankly i think everyone should have the chance to do so. Hardcore guild have had their chance allready.

    Just my opinion as a ''Normal'' player.

    Sry for my bad english too :P

  6. Heroic Firelands is also being Nerfed, according to the Blue post on the subject. I'm on board with the normal nerfs, but the heroic stuff? Not so much. Not until after 4.3 comes out, if at all. Sure we're only 2/7 heroic and it will help us clear it. . .but that isn't the point. I was hopeful we'd be able to get them all down before 4.3. . .and now we will, albeit with a diminished sense of accomplishment (IMO). I thought the heroics were meant for the folk who wanted a challenge, and normals were for folk who wanted to see the content. I wish they'd leave that model alone.

    my 2cp


  7. I have to come down in favor of the normal mode nerf (less so the heroic). Our guild has only managed to down 2 of 7 in normal mode even tho we've had those 2 down for many weeks and can generally one-shot them. The remainder we have wiped and wiped and wiped, we've lost 2 main healers a tank and top dps some of who have quit the game and some moved on. So many people have stopped playing that tanks and healers are incredibly hard to recruit so we are basically stuck. There is no fun whatsoever in constant wipes, and the more we wipe the more people are likely to leave making it more likely to wipe, it's a vicious circle. IMO this content was simply way too hard to start with (except for the top guilds) and that's partly to blame for so many people quitting the game, people need success. When they do nerf this and we clear a few more bosses it's going to be a hollow victory and won't much help with the disappointments we've had. Blizzard needs to think long and hard over their mistakes, aiming content at the top 20% or so is only ever going to destroy the game for the other 80%.

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