MoP: Dev Watercooler and Hunters

Morynne —  March 2, 2012 — 4 Comments

PanderiaLast night some gems about Mists of Panderia were dropped on a Dev Watercooler, and there was some pretty interesting Hunter specific things there.

The first big topic they discussed was Hit and Expertise.

  • We still think having stats that can be capped is a good game design. Rather than focusing solely on stacking your best stat, you have to decide how valuable it is to hit your target before you go back to stacking your best stat. However, we are making some changes.
  • Hit and spell hit will no longer be separate stats. The hit stat negates melee miss and spell miss.
  • Expertise will negate dodge and spell miss, then parry.
  • Expertise will be listed as a percentage, just like hit, instead of having an intermediary stat.
  • We are normalizing hit with expertise, so that 1% of each stat will require the same amount of rating.
  • We are normalizing melee and spell hit, so that spell hit is equal to miss plus dodge.
    • Against an equal level creature: 6% spell miss, 3% melee miss, 3% dodge, 3% parry (from the front only), 3% block (from the front only).
    • Against a +1 level creature: 9% spell miss, 4.5% melee miss, 4.5% dodge, 4.5% parry (from the front only), 4.5% Block (from the front only).
    • Against a +2 level creature: 12% spell miss, 6% melee miss, 6% dodge, 6% parry (from the front only), 6% Block (from the front only).
    • Against a +3/boss level creature: 15% spell miss, 7.5% melee miss, 7.5% dodge, 7.5% parry (from the front only), 7.5% block (from the front only).
    • Ranged attacks will be able to be dodged. Hunters will benefit from expertise and will have it on their gear, which will also allow hunters and Enhancement shaman to share gear more easily.

So here’s the way I see things working — given the fact that our minimum range is being taken away, and we’re going to be able to shoot things from within melee range, we’re effectively melee characters with a much bigger range — making it necessary for us to have Expertise on our gear, as well as normal Hit — just like most melee.

The bonus to this is it’s going to be much more important to weigh out stats to determine which one is more important for your character.  Hunters have largely had it too easy to hit 8% hit and just forget about it, unlike other melee classes that care about Expertise, or even casters that have to get a ridiculous amount of hit.  Now we’ll also have to worry about Expertise and how that will impact our ability to hit the target — to me this is incredibly fair and balanced.

This does pose an interesting situation though… the itemization for Hunters will be shared directly with Enhancement Shaman for armor, and with Rogues, Enhancement Shaman, and some DPS warriors for trinkets and rings.  Not so different than we have now, but there will be no clear “this is best for hunters because they don’t need Expertise.”  Gear will have more competition.

They also got into how Criticals are handled…

  • All spells and abilities will crit for double damage, baseline. There are a few exceptions where crits can get larger, but the default is x 2.0 for everyone.
  • This means that Enhancement shaman spells and rogue poisons will crit for double damage. Rogue poisons will also use the melee hit chance.

This sounds a lot like Enhancement Shaman are going to be a serious force to be reckoned with.  I also like that there’s a standard for a crit going forward.  Much of a Hunter’s damage in the past has been reliant on luck — for how big those crits are.  Now there’s a baseline, which should result in more consistent numbers.

What do you think of these adjustments?


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Morynne is an avid hunter, and prefers Marksmanship. She has co-hosted the Hunting Party Podcast, and appeared on the Twisted Nether Blogcast. For more information, click here.

4 responses to MoP: Dev Watercooler and Hunters

  1. I love these changes! Sure, there’s more competition on gear, but it’s on gear hunters haven’t had access to before, so it’s a win for us! More hunter loot!

  2. Since we don’t have too much info, I am hit and miss with the exp addition…
    Ultimatly I am sure we will not be too affected, yet PvP ‘may’ be a problem (with things like regen). Since we have limited info about the fine tunings we will (hopefully) recieve, I shall keep positive :P
    Oh, and we aren’t really gaining access to gear we would usually not use, I assume they will add more that shammys will want, and we shall now be able to use it… CONSPIRACY!


    Great read as always Morynne :)

    • I haven’t seen how Shammys are on the Beta yet, but I do know that right now they don’t value haste very highly. If that continues, then haste may be one way to differentiate gear.

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